It's been a hard week for the LGBT+ community and for members of the LDS church. My family has come down with a terrible sickness and the weather has turned cold, so we've spent the last week cooped up in the house. Because we're hibernating, I've had a lot of time on my hands to get educated on the debate... I've read articles written from every point of view. I've gotten involved in blog discussions (which I rarely do) and listened to every podcasts on the subject. More than anything I feel I've taken the time to process what matters and figure out where I stand.
To me, it's NOT a divide between the church and everyone else. I stand on the side that chooses to remain positive, see the good in everybody and in every change.. (I am for the legalizing of gay marriage AND I stand behind the LDS church leaders and their position on apostasy.) It's a hard place to be in, but I truly believe we can be different and work together. I know that communities built on love and respect is the only way to bring about change. If you're kind, informed and want to listen to the other side than I stand with you. If you think this new church policy is the end of the world and was put out there to exclude and divide, then I sympathize with you and believe those feelings are valid and real and I hold a space for that. We don't have to agree to work together. Our differences is what makes our communities and church so beautiful.
I've truly enjoyed the last couple of podcasts from A Thoughtful Faith. A few days ago, the discussion with James Ord was enlightening. He is an attorney based out of Utah (who is also an ex-mormon married to another man and a father to four children.) In his podcast, he explained the LDS church policy on excluding newly defined "apostates" from their organization as a necessary legal liability. From a LEGAL standpoint the new church policy was not only wise, but necessary. They knew that it would hurt and exclude, but it was a decision that had to be made. It was not a policy they took lightly or one they miscalculated.. side note: I'm married to a family attorney who is the most non-judgmental person I've ever met, so this podcast really outlined some of the progressive conversations we are having in our home, a lot of discussion about protection: protecting the emotional welfare of children, protecting the family as an institution, and protecting the church as an organization. (I think Aaron could have done a much better job explaining the legal allegations the church will face if they don't separate themselves from the LGBT+ community, without bringing personal feelings into the matter, but I digress.) That podcast was good, but not good enough to share, so that's why I am not linking it.
What I am linking and sharing is THE MOST AMAZING conversation I have heard on this topic and I think everyone needs to listen. I have a serious love for Jacob Hess and what he stands for. I literally agree with him on every.single.point. This is where the solution is, my friends. There IS a place in the middle for all of us. We don't have to agree, but we should be kind, loving and respectful and allow a space for differences.
He makes a point around the 14 minute mark that is completely brilliant-- It's not an exact quote, but it's close. "I believe just as much in the ART OF DELIBERATION as I do in dialogue.. Where we agree to come together and find a way to live together and make decisions together and that's an art. When it's done right, it's beautiful and when it's done wrong, it's really ugly." (caps added, I love the way he sees discussion as an art. In needs to be done the right way in order to inspire change.)
Gina Colvin, who runs this podcast, does a fantastic job of trying to bring about a conversation of change, asking Jacob Hess if just sitting around and talking is doing enough, if anything. And I absolutely love the dialogue back and forth. We all want to see change. We want to fight for what we feel is right and I truly believe that change will only come as we listen to each other and we respect one another's differences. I do not believe this change comes about with anger and intolerance. Yes, people are angry and hurt. Let's allow space for that pain for as long we need to work through it. There is also an important place for uncertainty. And above all, we need to constantly check ourselves (everyone on all sides) to make sure we are being open and kind and loving.
The story Hess tells about his liberal, atheist friend who lost his cat made me laugh out loud, several times, I just loved it so much. It might seem like that story he shares is off topic, but to me it's everything. He sits down with someone who's views are completely different from his own, and he comes away caring about him, wanting to discuss more and connect on a deeper level and he finds himself mourning for his friend's dead cat. This is exactly what we need to be doing with each other.. listening, caring, talking with respect and then come away changed and better. Believe it or not, this is change. He is the product of living on a higher level. Not only does his example want me want to connect with him and read his books, but it inspires me to want to connect with every other person in my circle of influence. I want to be more like him and have a lot of work to do.
Okay, so where does this leave me on my thoughtful faith? I stand with both the LGBT+ community and with Mormons. How is it possible to stand with both? I believe that the LGBT+ community deserves all of the rights they need and want. They should be allowed to marry, they should be allowed to adopt and raise children and they should be free to live how they chose, without judgment. They are amazing, beautiful, contributing members of society. I will stand behind them, listen to them, and vote for them. I would absolutely welcome them in my home and sit next to them at church, if they felt that coming was adding to their happiness.
How can I still be a Mormon after this week? I believe there is a place for me, and for anyone who wants to be there. There is a dance that only I can do, and I will not sit on the sidelines and watch. My place in this religion is an important one. I believe in God and I believe that God wants me to stand in my convictions. I stand with love and respect for those who don't agree with me (and some of those people are Mormons.) These past few years while serving in positions in the church WHILE struggling with my own testimony has been a beautiful experience. I was Relief Society president at a time when I didn't agree with a lot of the people that I went to church with. Some people might not have felt that I did a good job in my position... but I promise you, I served with all of my heart. I was authentic and real and I did what God wanted me to do. I didn't read the handbook, I tried to follow policy when it applied to the situation, but I truly was guided by the Spirit and I served the women in my ward. I listened to them, I cared about them. I helped some of them out of abusive relationships. I cheered them on. I mourned with them. I assisted in providing food and shelter. I did a hell of a good job. I may not have gotten along well with my own presidencies. I had some conflicts with other leaders in my ward, but I was there for a good reason. My voice mattered and it still does.
I currently serve as the first counselor in the young women's presidency and this place is important for me. Why would I leave when I know I can help and love the girls in my ward? I know I can make a difference with everyone in my ward, just by being there on Sunday. Do I have to agree with everyone who comes to church? Of course not. How boring would that be? I believe God wants me in this place. I don't see any good in leaving. Sometimes I worry my kids will be "brainwashed" and believe everything they hear or what they are taught in Primary (I don't agree with everything in the primary manuals, btw.) But I know that as their mother, my example and my testimony has the greatest influence on them. I teach them everything I know, including the controversial things, like Joseph's Smith's first vision accounts.. all of them. We talk about things that the prophets have said that we DON'T agree with and I believe it's helping them form their own testimonies. Knowledge is power. Shielding them from a different point of view doesn't do any good. I believe I can still be a part of the church and hold a space for others who aren't following blindly. I don't mind if others think I am following blindly. I've taken a lot of time and struggle to get where I am and it's working for me. This is my story and my voice matters. As does yours, religious or not.
I am going to close by mentioning CJane. Her recent podcast and the last few blog posts she's written have struck a cord with me. I respect her greatly and believe her voice is so important. I know it takes a lot of courage to put opinions and stories out there and I truly have love and admiration for her. But I do not agree with the approach. I think if she wants to combat this topic with anger and intolerance, than she will receive anger and intolerance in return. Her story of being raised in a large family with a patriarchal family is her truth. I was raised similarly in a large family with a father who made decisions for the family. But my outtake on life is very different and my mother is the most respected by her children and her voice matters. Do I see myself as privileged Mormon girl? Yes, I do. And I believe I am held accountable for the privileges I've received being raised in the home, neighborhood and church that I was raised in. And I believe that along with these privileges, I have an obligation to help those who didn't have an upbringing like mine (or a husband who is kind and respectful.) My obligation is to listen and to serve and to never, ever judge. This is where I see change happening. Why are we so afraid of those are different- even opposite of us? Can't we see that we belong to each other and that our differences is what makes it amazing to be alive, living now when these important social changes are happening?
I come away from this week knowing and believing that FAMILY cohesiveness should come before anything else. I know that our role as PARENTS is the most important role we can ever play. Our time with our children is vital. I believe strongly in my responsibilities as a mother and I praise my husband and the important things he does as a father. We could not be more different human beings, the two of us as parents. But that makes our home colorful and exciting. We disagree every day, but we always seek to find a middle ground and then we move forward. When one of us won't budge, we respect the position and find power in each other's convictions. There are things that he does well that I could never do. And no matter how hard he tries, he could never fill my role as a mother to my children. We listen to each other, love what the other has to offer and we stand firm in our personal convictions, which are not the same. Our home becomes stronger and more powerful because we come together calmly and sensibly and recognize our differences.
This past Sunday was an interesting one because I had to sit on the stand behind the pulpit with the YW who were taking over the program. I watched my husband and children from the stand and I smiled the entire time. For several years, Aaron served in the bishopric and sat on the stand. I was bitter a lot of the time he served because I was so exhausted caring for the kids week after week. And this last Sunday as I sat on the stand, I thought of CJane's podcast where she said it pained her to go to church and only see men sitting up on the stand. I thought about that as I sat up there, and as I looked at my husband wrestling the kids. And I can totally see where she is coming from and believe she has every right to feel hurt that the women in our church don't serve in bishoprics. My own personal conviction is that the home is most important and the church is somewhere down the line.
It takes a LOT of time away from home to serve in higher callings and it's my opinion that our children would literally fall apart if women were serving in bishoprics. Not saying men aren't wonderful in their own respects, but they can't do what we do at home. You can disagree with me if you'd like. But I have the most attentive, loving, kind, respectful, hands-on husband. He is an amazing father, but my children need me physically next to them in a way that they don't need my husband. As a woman I was blessed with some amazing gifts to care for my children and no matter how hard he tries, he can't comfort the kids the way I do. This role reversal on the sacrament meeting stand was just one experience in a long list of little testimony builders make me want to follow the Prophet. I want to do it. I don't feel like I have to stay in the church, but I want to be there-- for myself. I will be the first to admit that being a Mormon is exhausting, time-consuming, hard. I will admit that some members are judgmental and closed-minded. But I will not judge the church as a whole and I will not leave it because if I did my family would suffer. I am a strong woman who stands up for what I believe. I bring perspective, color and optimism to the table. I believe God wants me where I am (in the home and sitting in the pews with my children while my husband serves in another capacity) and this knowledge and conviction brings me peace.
I hope that your convictions bring you peace. You may not believe in God, but that doesn't change the fact that you have something important to do and that your voice matters. I think we all need to talk calmly and respectfully as we discuss our differences and we stand firm in what matters most to us. Xoxo. Looking forward to future conversations, friends.
I hope that your convictions bring you peace. You may not believe in God, but that doesn't change the fact that you have something important to do and that your voice matters. I think we all need to talk calmly and respectfully as we discuss our differences and we stand firm in what matters most to us. Xoxo. Looking forward to future conversations, friends.








not this cute anymore!
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I always thought from reading your blog that you were on the more faithful side of things, but hearing you speak so admiringly about Gina and her podcast makes me wonder. Have you seen her latest blog post? She may be thoughtful, in her way, but I'm not sure she's someone anyone should be taking guidance from in matters of faith.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwimormon/2015/11/something-broke-open-today/
I am on the more faithful side of things and didn't say I love all of Gina's podcasts, just her interaction with Jacob Hess. I do like to inform myself and believe that it's good (for me) to see all sides of a subject. And as a mother, I think it's good for my kids to know from an early age what they are up against. I didn't read the history of my own religion until after I was married and I went through a huge faith crisis about 12 years ago, long before blogger and Facebook. I got CDs of the old church discourses and it was disturbing. I absolutely allow myself to ask questions, research and explore outside sources. I hope my kids will too. My faith is in a much better place than it was before I questioned.
Anyone who leaves their faith is courageous and strong and respected in my book. It's a very difficult process and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Also, I don't think anyone should be taking guidance from ANY other person. It's a personal matter and should be dealt with inside, within your own experiences and thoughts. You can't give or take oil for your lamp to another person.
Just read the blog post and I find it heartfelt. There is a story that should be told forbthisr who want to resign their names. I don't see anything too harsh about what she wrote. She explained that leaving is a sad process, and it should be bit only for those who are living up but for those of us that chose to stay. We should give them a voice and a space, they are the very neighbors we are commanded to love.
Sorry, so many typos. Wish there was an option to edit.
Thanks Janet,
I share so many of the same opinions that you do. It is nice to listen to another person that sees the situation so similarly to me. I haven't (and won't) take the time to thoroughly research all sides of the issue. Intuitively I have come to almost all of the same conclusions as you. I have to add, that your comments about CJane are spot on. I am an on again/off again reader of hers. (I struggle reading her blog because there is so much insecurity there - that she masks as 'causes' 'righteous anger' I truly believe that she is constantly trying to distinguish herself from the Mormon masses of Provo, and she finds shocking language, opinions, etc to be her best tool for attention) Wow. That sounds pretty harsh, because there are some things I do like about her and her writing, but she has really sunk to a totally different level here, rendering her blog just another 'hate' blog instead of a vehicle for change. Unfortunate, because many who really listened to her have become completely turned off.
Beth
Thanks for your thoughts, Beth. The amazing thing about Courtney is that she choses to go through this rough time being somewhat transparent, and although that can be dangerous for those who may not be in a good place who read her words, it's completely brave and noble. She will figure it out and she will be a force for good.
All those who listen to her and are also outraged are responsible for their own state and mindset. CJane is just expressing her experience. Our response only reflects what's happening inside ourselves. CJane needs a lot of love right now. I would have hated to go through my experience (in early 2000) publically with a following like she has. It would not have been so much harder for me.
*would have been much harder.
Yes, I guess I will never truly know where Courtney stands (nor do I ultimately care) I read her blog on occasion, have really felt a connection at times, but ultimately regardless of our differing opinions on many things I leave feeling like most of what she says is sincere. The rest just a means of getting attention. Oh well, I have already spent too much time thinking about something/one that ultimately does not help me understand my life or purpose better.
Contrast her blog with yours for example where I feel challenged, affirmed, thoughtful and occasionally I just disagree. But I always leave feeling like you have been honest and raw (in the best sense). Plus, some of the crazy that I find here is just plain entertaining =). My family asks about updates on the "bus lady family".
At this point I have just 6 blogs I circulate between (cjane having dropped to 'whenever I feel like it') and I find myself liking yours and Ginny over at http://www.gsheller.com/. If you wander over there, you have to read back several posts to really get a feel for Ginny. I have very little in common with her, but she speaks to my heart. (they are thinking about buying a bus too . . . )
Beth
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